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You Can't Even Argue This Point by SionnaDehr You Can't Even Argue This Point by SionnaDehr
I mean really, the phrase, "because God said so" makes more logical sense than "if animals can do itz totes fine!"
For the most part, people use this to try and say homosexuality is okay. I find that a problem. I find that a big problem. After all, I thought humans were supposed to be evolved beyond basic animalistic tendencies. Using this argument to try and prove what many view to be a lifestyle choice doesn't work very well.
May I draw you to this stamp [link] that explains the issue in better words than I ever could? Well, I just did so I will continue.
Animals do a lot of things that we find rather disgusting if a human does it. Like cannibalism for an example.
Links to Cannibalism:
[link](zoology) -for a general idea of it in the wild.

Let's see, what else is out there? Oh yes! Rape in animals!

Of course, when searching for this on the internet, I mostly find shit about human abuse to animals concerning this subject. I'm not going to dig through the internet to find this stuff.

Now, what else can I list? Oh, wait, killing!

If I had the mindset to think of the right keywords, I would probably have a better time finding what I'm looking for. As it is, I have a head cold, so my research skills are down. Anyway, the list could go on and I'm sure if I looked harder under all categorical abominations (or what are considered abominations in the human race). My point is that if people are going to try and prove something right, they might not want to use the animal kingdom as a reliable source. Yes, I'm especially talking to you evolutionists who loooove using this excuse. Find something else, please?

Actually, if there are any other arguments out there, please feel free to comment and tell me the other reasons. I'm not as interested in refuting them as I am interested in knowing what people are saying.

[link] Adding this because it accurately illustrates the sheer stupidity of the "animals do it so its okay" argument.
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Hyenax Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
Homosexuality is OK. Anything which does not cause harm to another person is OK. This deviation is not OK.

Case closed.
SionnaDehr Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Hobbyist Writer
So, by your logic, self harm, of any kind, is okay. We shouldn't try to discourage it. We shouldn't take people who are harming themselves intentionally aside and try to help them because they're not hurting anyone else. They're just exorcising their right over their own bodies after all, right?
You still missed the point of my stamp.
Since you did, I'll help you.
Consider this: animals don't care whether or not they cause harm to others. They don't have a clue. In many cases, harming another one of their species is an act of dominance (see wolves or any other carnivorous beastie). With people saying humans are no different than animals doesn't that mean animalistic morality is totally and completely up for grabs. Which means that your point is automatically invalid and the case is, most certainly, not closed.
You're welcome 
Hyenax Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
Well self harm isn't OK but if they really want to do it then that's their choice, it's not harming anyone else.

And I never tried to justify harming other people so what are you even talking about? I said homosexuality is OK. That has nothing to do with harming another person, and if you believe that it does then please explain to me how.
Monochrome-Crystal Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
YES! YES YES YESSSSSSSSS!!! THIS STAMP!!!! And let's not forget about BULLYING in animals! Yes, animals bully each other as well. In fact, in cows, what is considered "lesbian sex" is actually one cow bullying the other. That's right: the cow on top isn't trying to mate with the other cow but she is in fact trying to break the bottom cow's ankles. Just wanted to put that out there...
snowpuff77 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2015
That one about cannibalistic hens? The poultry at my school farm had no shame pecking and eating an egg that a boy carelessly dropped on the ground. Guess I shouldn't be surprised about a bigger approach. Rape in animals? Aw, Geez... I once saw 3 male ducks chasing a female duck, knock her down, then try to pile themselves on her. Ugh! Talk about gang rape!
JonathanSkits Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014
Ikr what if someone said that jumping off a cliff was the best thing not everyone's going to do it
NerdleBooyimi Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
Ask--Frightspark Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2014
((guys heterosexuality happens in animals
so does eating to survive
and drinking two parts hydrogen one part oxygen

cmon guise we're better than this))
wwwarea Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014
Sometimes it's a good thing. Hmm, in terms of why we must believe something so bad it's self would be good to compare.
Like a nature argument against some sexuality it's self.. Many non-human animals do it. <That's fair in terms of an argument claiming something not natural.. Know what I mean?

Cannibalism is an interesting subject. Going after someone and eating there arms and cooking them? Yikes, but I question why people has to taboo it JUST because it's "cannibalism". If someone eats someone's arm without consent, then that isn't anything nearly as bad as just "cutting an arm" it's self without consent..
I'm only basing this off my own questioning of societies and there beliefs.. Hmm
TheCrossoverer89 Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2014
these guys believe in evolution, but yet continue to whine about how natural means 'okay', I do believe in evolution, but I think its more than just growing arms and legs, its DEVELOPING A FUCKING MIND.
LadeedadaLa Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2014

The cannibalism, murder, and rape being in the animal kingdom doesn't hold water, either. One, those cause actual harm, and two, by that logic, you could say the same for straights.

"Look, John, that male dog is totally raping that female dog. Look at her snap at him!"
"Yeah, Bill. Hey, animals do it, so let's go do it to Rachel next door!"

Same argument as towards homosexuals.

LadeedadaLa Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2014
Actually, that argument isn't used just to simply justify homosexuality, it's used when someone says, "Homosexuality doesn't exist anywhere in nature/it isn't natural." Those are the only places I've the "animals do it" argument. If animals, who rely on their instincts rather than conscious thought processes and decision making, do it, how is it unnatural?

Where have you seen it otherwise? People just randomly stating it?

cIicker Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
well, really youve got the phrase wrong. most people will say "animals do it so it must be natural". because, you know, homosexuality is pretty natural.
FullmetalKobe824 Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2014
There are rapes in the animal kingdom as well, so does that mean we should allow rape? LOL :XD:
Popcirb Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2014
anyone who uses this argument as to why homosexuality is fine is a moron, because they're using it improperly.
it's not "it's fine because animals do it." it should be "it's NATURAL because animals do it."
Ayumi-Senpai Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
but homosexuality IS okay
we did nothing wrong to heterosexuals, also if you use the whole bible/god/Adam and Eve thing, i think that's absolute bullshit
what happened to 'love thy neighbor'? if you're hating on homosexuals God would be very dissapointed lmao
ApocaWarCry Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2015   General Artist
I don't support homosexuality, but I don't "hate the people". You can hate actions, but not the people.
RippedMoon Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Essansee Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've been saying this for years.
Sewni Featured By Owner Edited Sep 17, 2014
So...according to these people...when the dog tried to copulate with my leg('s not funny ;_; ), people can do it too and this is okay?

People =/= animals
Chibinovablast Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2014
So... According to these people... If a book made from a time when humans didn't know shit about anything says something is wrong... That makes it true?

Book=/= True story, bruh
TheCorporation Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2014
Taking refuge in Appeal to Nature is never a good idea.

A much better argument would be: it doesn't harm anyone, so it must be okay.
I have never heard a satisfactory rebuttal to this.
CelticKawaii Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Apparently dolphins gang-rape, orcas kill baby humpbacks by separating them from their parents and blocking their blowholes, and penguins have been known to engage in necrophilia. Oh, and pigs in captivity have been known to cannibalize each other.
My dog likes the taste of deer poop and my cats like to walk all over me (literally)...that doesn't make it okay.
I'm sick of people saying "But animals do X, and only humans do Y," SMH
mlp-lover910 Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
this (sorry) little crap called moogle moon said incest (elsanna) is ok because animals do it and animals are like humans.
theblazingstone Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2014
The best argument that supports homosexuality being natural is…

It's not entirely due to genes, but they do play a role. That's my argument for gay marriage. Is this valid?
SionnaDehr Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
It's more valid than "homosexuality is in nature therefore it must be moral". Genes influencing a form of sexual orientation is one thing. Saying something is natural because animals do it is another. Animals do a lot of things that are natural. Doesn't mean it's moral to do them, which is my argument. 
And I like your argument better. It's, dare I say it, more reasonable. 
Two thumbs up. 
BellaRomatica Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2014
Since homophobic people consider gays "unnatural" people look for answers by looking at nature itself. In fact homosexuality has been found in over 15000 species, meanwhile homophobia just in 1. So yes, being gay is completely natural. Being homophobic isn't. 
And people are not going to use the "animals do it" excuse for either rape, cannibalism or murder because you can cause serious physical and mental harm to someone. What harm did homosexuality ever cause? I'll tell you; NONE. EVER. 
SionnaDehr Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
One thing about your argument (besides the fact that, like so many before you, you're totally missing the point), people actually do use the "animals do it so it must be okay" excuse to justify a lot of horrific things. I learned that recently in my philosophy class (taught by an atheist before you accuse), so you are sorely mistaken on that front.
On the other, homosexuality in nature is rape in many cases. Animals (take dogs for instance) use homosexuality to assert dominance over another of their species usually in a pack or group setting. Also, where other species are concerned, there is a very good chance that what we perceive as homosexual behavior is, actually, something else entirely since, you know, they're not human and, therefore, don't think like humans do. Just figured I'd throw that out there.
Homosexuality doesn't cause harm, you're right, but it isn't as fluffy bunny-like as you seem to be presenting it.
And, again, there are quite a few things that are natural that we consider as inhumane and horrendous yet animals do it, practice it, participate in it, which is, might I say, my actual point. But, you're too busy calling me a homophobe to see that point because my point illuminates a huge problem with your (and other's) argument. 
Kindly learn to read before commenting, thank you!
BellaRomatica Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2014
I did not call you a homophobe? Maybe you feel attacked by the other people calling you one but I don't believe you are one. And I thought the point you were trying to make is that people must not use the "animals do it" excuse for anything..or did I get that wrong as well?
SionnaDehr Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Oh, then I miss-understood you, then. I'm sorry about that.
pericarditis Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
you're comparing not being straight to cannibalism, rape, and murder. holy shit
SionnaDehr Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
And you've missed the point of this stamp and are jumping to irrational conclusions. You are responding to a feeling of offense because you do not like the point I have actually made and, therefore, are subconsciously misrepresenting said point and altering it to fit some preconceived notion of me that you desperately want to fill despite evidence (substantial evidence mind you) to the contrary. Therefore, because you are offended and have little ability to think rationally about the actual point that was made you are too emotional for this conversation.  
pericarditis Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i ignored the main point because it's extremely homophobic. and no, im not jumping to an irrational concluion. 
SionnaDehr Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
No, you are. Because the main point isn't homophobic. You are jumping to irrational conclusions without actually reading the evidence in front of you. 
pericarditis Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
the main point is homophobic though.
SionnaDehr Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
No, it's not. If you think it is, then you're not getting the point. 
Kagaku-Sama Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Homosexuality is about love, I don't get why people are so offensive about them. They are human, and they have the right to love who they love.
Foxland-MyCraft Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Like if you try to chew grass, send it to your stomach, and take it back to re-chew it like cows.

But there are some b-ches that kinda ARE cows...
Internetexplorer968 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Yezh, and just because an animal does it, doesn't make it natural.
o0Herobrine0o Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
if God's own creations ((animals)) are naturally homosexual
then how does that make homosexuality bad if the animals are naturally doing it
almost even instinctively
handshakerm Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014  Student General Artist
If it's in nature it's natural. (Hell, even animals can be homosexual) Sooooo....yeah.
wwwarea Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2014
I think sometimes that the term "We can't do it" from an emotion sense of another human is rather silly.. Sometimes I agree that if a non-human do something, it would show that what "we" do that matches the behavior is a natural part and that stopping someone because someone finds it "gross", "wrong", etc is rather unnatural.

Though, I'm mostly defending the things that don't violate another person's right.

So if "non-human-animals" act in homosexual, then humans doing that shouldn't be consider "new" or "weird".. I would be with that instead of some bigot going against homosexuality. Though, it may not be the best source to talk about it but it can help. :)
RosyUniverse Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2014  Student Digital Artist
At least animals aren't disgusting rabid christian homophobes.
You're a homophobe, and that's against love thy neighbor
have fun rotting in hell. :3
Internetexplorer968 Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
What happened to "love thy neighbor?" And your telling people to rot in hell. You're a hypocrite. Hell is not your savior or police. Hell doesn't exist.
aquafox12 Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2014
:iconwhatifitoldyouplz: I'm a Christian but not a homophobe
KikiAngel123 Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You...Have restored my faith in humanity.
Sassycat2 Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Love the sinner, hate the sin.

Why are you quoting the Bible while simultaneously telling someone to "have fun rotting in hell?"
BigMaleforFan Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2014
it's just common sense , humans are the most complicated creatures on earth , and must not be compared with some kind of lovebird that was just discovered when gay marriage was about to become legal in the US .

but like i truly believe , common sense is a lost art .
Th3Frgt10Warrior Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't get your point.
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