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You Can't Even Argue This Point by SionnaDehr You Can't Even Argue This Point by SionnaDehr
I mean really, the phrase, "because God said so" makes more logical sense than "if animals can do itz totes fine!"
For the most part, people use this to try and say homosexuality is okay. I find that a problem. I find that a big problem. After all, I thought humans were supposed to be evolved beyond basic animalistic tendencies. Using this argument to try and prove what many view to be a lifestyle choice doesn't work very well.
May I draw you to this stamp [link] that explains the issue in better words than I ever could? Well, I just did so I will continue.
Animals do a lot of things that we find rather disgusting if a human does it. Like cannibalism for an example.
Links to Cannibalism:
[link](zoology) -for a general idea of it in the wild.
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Let's see, what else is out there? Oh yes! Rape in animals!
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Of course, when searching for this on the internet, I mostly find shit about human abuse to animals concerning this subject. I'm not going to dig through the internet to find this stuff.

Now, what else can I list? Oh, wait, killing!
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If I had the mindset to think of the right keywords, I would probably have a better time finding what I'm looking for. As it is, I have a head cold, so my research skills are down. Anyway, the list could go on and I'm sure if I looked harder under all categorical abominations (or what are considered abominations in the human race). My point is that if people are going to try and prove something right, they might not want to use the animal kingdom as a reliable source. Yes, I'm especially talking to you evolutionists who loooove using this excuse. Find something else, please?

Actually, if there are any other arguments out there, please feel free to comment and tell me the other reasons. I'm not as interested in refuting them as I am interested in knowing what people are saying.

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[link] Adding this because it accurately illustrates the sheer stupidity of the "animals do it so its okay" argument.
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Crazyaniknowit Featured By Owner 4 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
Omg this is soo true! I use this in every argument about such stupid things! "Well animals are homo's sometimes so we can do it too!" So animals eat their young...are we supposed to start eating babies? lol
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ilovewheatley Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
The idea of this argument was to prove mostly to Christians it wasn't a purely 'man-made' thing, I think. Honestly I'm more for the pre-natal theory, or my personal Buddhist theory, but that cannot be proven.
But I see what they're trying to say. Being gay is set apart from those other things e.g murder, rape ext because it doesn't involve the pain of another human being. Those things cause pain to others, which is considered immoral, but being attracted to the same sex as you doesn't hurt anybody. Its a weak argument, but it has its footing. 
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rat--shackles Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2015  New member Student General Artist
[[ "animals eat food off the ground, but when i do it, why do i feel weird after?" ]]
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Moo-Sho Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2015  New member
"Animals do it!" Is indeed not a good argument to prove homosexuality is okay because it's not an argument for that at all...

It's a rebuttal to people who say homosexuality is unnatural so it's not okay. It leaves people only to rely on the scriptures as "proof" against homosexuality or "it's icky so I think it's wrong!" which is an even poorer argument.

If you don't like homosexuality for your own reasons that's fine, but if you support legislation banning same-sex marriage or discrimination against the gay community that's when it crosses line for me.

Either way, I wish you the best. I try not to be too aggressive if it can be helped. :)
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fidofia Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
TheiCarlyAngel 

???? how was I supposed to know your tragic backstory before commenting? I'm only commenting on what I already know about you, which is that you are very hateful. Look, I am really sorry about the fact you've been sexually abused. That's horrible and no child should ever have to go through that. But that's about where the sympathy ends. You think I haven't been bullied like absolute fuck? You think gay people haven't been bullied by insensitive jerks. Now, I don't know what "LGBTs" have done to you but homosexuality is not a religion, and I don't know why you're so against all types of love love. 

"Also unlike homosexuality, in which is wrong, heterosexuality is okay and it is not wrong in any shape nor form. That's something everyone can agree on without throwing a meltdown."

Um. No. No, actually I don't think homosexuality is wrong, thanks. I think it is love and love is perfectly natural. If anything I don't know why you are shoving your beliefs down our throats and into our television. Television isn't just for straight people you know. If you, a straight person, don't want to see gays in a TV program, flick to any other channel ever. I guarantee you will fine more straight white heteros any where you look. 

Also if you have so much empathy to people being bullied. Why not start by not making people feel uncomfortable in their own identity. If you can't see that you're part of the problem then you're blind to yourself. Please, I'm begging you just don't spread hate. Yes, that comment about the things you like was immature. I apologise. I'm just so sick of this happening every time I log onto deviantart. Can you please just take down your offensive stamps and try to understand where I'm coming from? We've both been bullied for liking what we like, maybe we can both try and be a little more accepting?
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Gothic-Bunny-13 Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
She is hateful as fuck...
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TheiCarlyAngel Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2015  Student Artist
I agree. Thumbs Up THUMBS UP! :D
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AshlynArt-100 Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2015  New member Hobbyist Artist
Someone gave me this reason. -.-
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fidofia Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
If you're not gay how the fuck does homosexuality concern you? Does it hurt you? Does it affect your standard of living?
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Moo-Sho Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2015  New member
Best not to come on too strong in these type of topics. I understand your passion but I try a calmer, logic-based way of debating.

At least in the states discrimination is being more discouraged and many more states have same-sex marriage than even 5 years ago! I think more people are realizing loved ones and friends who have come out are still the same great people that they were before coming out.
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TheiCarlyAngel Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2015  Student Artist
Because people shove their beliefs in other's faces when they don't choose to follow their ways. Plus it's now going into kids cartoons.
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fidofia Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Gay people don't want you to "follow their ways", they just want a little respect and acceptance. Oh, because childrens' cartoons have always been so lacking in romance. I've seen countless heterosexual relationships in children's TV. So much it's excessive. Now tell me why that is so different to a hetero relationship in a cartoon.

Also, just saying you're name is "TheiCarlyAngel" and you're not even in high school yet. Maybe you should wait until you have a better understanding of basic human empathy like every other normal human being
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TheiCarlyAngel Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2015  Student Artist
Then you'll get your respect and acceptance, but it's not the same thing as shoving down your beliefs in other's faces 24/7. Okay? Okay. Also unlike homosexuality, in which is wrong, heterosexuality is okay and it is not wrong in any shape nor form. That's something everyone can agree on without throwing a meltdown.

Also are you kidding...? You're... wow... I cannot even respond to that... age and what grade you are in has nothing to do with maturity and empathy. Just LOOK at your own post.

Hey, look. I've been bullied too, okay? I been through fudging Hell and back and I am trying to save my own butt on staying strong and being kind and respectful to others. I've been sexually abused ever since I was a little girl and was FORCED to watch porn and become this 'little good cum girl' and stare at photos of naked woman and men and even girl and girl and men and men jacking it off with one another. I've also been bullied since the 3rd grade and I know exactly the guy who started it. I was never EVER accepted by anyone in my school because of what I liked and was made fun of my happiness and kindness and they made me cry everyday in class. Also guess what you special little snowflake, I've also gotten my heart BROKEN by a guy who abandoned me and left me to worry and he simply didn't care for me at all. Seriously, sometimes at nights or even at days I cry because my heart is hurt. I really am hurt and confused (but not that confused where I have to follow your homosexual religion, NO THANKS) on what to do with myself right now. There are days I wished I was in Heaven right than Earth. Days I wished I didn't exist or have amnesia where I can feel happiness JUST like I did when I was a little girl (before becoming introduced by sex) and I was Easter-egg hunting and spinning in circles happily. I much rather feel innocence than feeling like no one is here for you. In real life, I have no one to hold onto nor I can rely on. I am thankful for my online friends because they understand my hurt and everything about me. Sometimes I wonder, "How come making friends online is easier than in real life?" So what exactly do you mean by not feeling ANY empathy, again? -_- In fact, It's hard for me to feel sorry for any of the LGBTs when they have treated me disrespectful when I have done nothing wrong AND are forcing their beliefs on me. Look, do whatever makes you happy. I'm blocking you because this whole conversation is now reaching to a negative level. You obviously won't understand, so I don't get WHY I even bothered. You don't know me in real life to even make that statement a fact. So before you accuse me, do your research.
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fidofia Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
also lmao your stamps. You're literally 12 aren't you.
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BallisticPacifist Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2015
How does homosexuality hurt people like rape or killing?
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BBChild Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2015   Traditional Artist
The point is not whether or not homosexuality harms individuals (which it arguably does).

The point is that this particular argument - "It is natural among animals, therefore it should be acceptable among people" - is extremely flawed and "moronic" since animals do many things that are unacceptable in human society.

Natural =/= good.  That is what this stamp is about.
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VikingPoneSwordsgirl Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
The point isn't that homosexuality is ok isn't usually backed up with the animals argument, the "animals do it" argument is used to prove homosexuality is natural since humans are part of the animal kingdom; we're primates.

Also how the heck are rape and homosexuality the same? No one wants to accept rape, there's a whole movement dedicated to gay rights. Homosexual relationships are usually consensual, and rape isn't there is a difference :| arguing rape and relationships are the same is stupid.
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BBChild Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015   Traditional Artist
"Natural" does not equate to "good" or "acceptable."

Animals rape each other.
Animals commit acts of incest all the time.
Animals murder each other - male, female, young, or old.
Animals shun each other just because of their size or smell.
Animals will kill children of other animals in order to have sex with the female/mother.
Animals are cannibals.

All of those things are "natural" and "normal" in nature.  That does not mean they should be normal in our human society.

"Also how the heck are rape and homosexuality the same?"
^ Well, animals rape each other… It's all natural and normal for animals, why can't people do the same?
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VikingPoneSwordsgirl Featured By Owner Edited Feb 12, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
I know natural doesn't equal to good or acceptable the point I'm trying to make is that this arguement is used not for proving that it's acceptable but just that it's natural seeming as many religions and cultures deem homosexuality as biologically unnatural. The author of the stamp seems to be confusing these two.

I can see the silliness in trying to compare humans and animals completely but that's not what people are doing with that arguement, they're just proving it's not unnatural. Animals are halfway to being humans because humans have a lot of urges which echo theirs except we are more evolved and intelligent because we picked a good path of evolution.

You didn't read my first comment correctly. I explained why they're different so either you're being purposesfully condescending or just simply didn't understand.

Rape= non consensual sex, a physical and psychological attack on a person which is immoral because it can cause great trauma (PTSD, suicidal tendencies etc) to the victim and make them almost unable to function because they can't trust other people and take great pains to get back into society after their attack as a result.

Homosexuality= netrual. I only say neutral because homosexuality is just at it's heart attraction to the same sex. Some use it for bad, but that's like all sexualities and no one wishes to legislate or ban straight people. Some are just normal people who wish to have a relationship just like anyone.

The majority of homosexual sex is consensual and is not rape every single time, it's not a trauma it's something shared between two people.

Heterosexuality is natural, why can't people rape like animals because hets have sex?
(I don't actually believe that it I just wanted to you to know how that sentence looks)
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BBChild Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015   Traditional Artist
Ah okay.  Maybe I did misunderstand you then.

What I am getting at is... even if homosexuality is natural - so what?  Rape is also natural.  Murder is also natural.  Ect.

Whether or not homosexual behaviour is natural has nothing to do with whether or not it should be acceptable.  But I'm fairly certain you also understand that.  ^^
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VikingPoneSwordsgirl Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Why isn't it acceptable? Just because of this argument?

Human heterosexuality could be seen as dangerous too given that a woman can tear her um...birth canal, her organs shift around during pregnant and women are a little more likely to die when they are pregnant. Not to mention all the diseases you're susceptible to when pregnant. Is pregnancy safe because it's "natural"? Because that's what hetero sex is supposed to lead to without protection..

If you don't like homosexuality that's fine but it's not fair to say it's an unacceptable standard for everyone. Was interracial separation fair for everyone? After all both of those situations ie the acceptance of it is morally neutral...not really right or wrong but can cause more harm to the human race if it's limited excessively.
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BBChild Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2015   Traditional Artist
Err, where did I say that homosexuality was an "unacceptable standard for everyone?"

I will quote myself: "Whether or not homosexual behaviour is natural has nothing to do with whether or not it should be acceptable."
I'm pointing out that just because something is natural, does not mean that it should thus be considered acceptable.  I'm specifically referring to people who say, "If it happens in nature, it's therefore okay for it to happen in our society."  (i.e., "homosexuality is natural in animals, therefore it is acceptable in human societies")

I'm not arguing whether or not homosexuality itself is acceptable.  I'm just pointing out that:

Natural =/= good
And:
Natural =/= acceptable

Does that make sense?  It seems quite a few people have misunderstood my purpose here.
What I would REALLY like to know is how so many people started replying at once to me!  I always thought I was the only one who used the related tab to find argumentative stamps I like and then read the comments below them.  But apparently more people do that than I thought!  XD  (Or maybe more people just stalk each other's "Recent Activity" feeds more than I thought)
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bcollins39302 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Rape and murder are not consensual...
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BBChild Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015   Traditional Artist
Nope, but they are natural.  ^^
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Hyenax Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Why don't you just get off your high horse and stop believing you know everything about the world? I can admit I don't know everything, but I do know two things; homosexuality is OK because it is natural, consensual, and does not harm anyone. I also know that you are the most ignorant person I've ever met on the internet.
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BBChild Featured By Owner Edited Feb 13, 2015   Traditional Artist
Again… "A sure sign of a weak case is when a critic begins with ridicule.  The immediate move to the ad hominem is a sure sign of the lack of substance." Dr. Peter A. Lillback
Keep insulting me.  Keep throwing personal attacks at me.  It just makes your argument look very, very weak if you have to resort to rude comments to defend yourself.

Natural =/= good.

Consensual =/= acceptable.

"Does not harm anyone" has already been addressed with my other arguments.

I'm still waiting for you to support your claim that "homosexuality" is okay.  Making simple statements without backing them up means nothing in a debate.
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bcollins39302 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015  Student Digital Artist
That still doesn't make them comparable.

A volcanic eruption of the Krebs Cycle is also natural. Thaf doesn't mean it is morally comparable
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BBChild Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2015   Traditional Artist
Why is it not morally comparable? ^^
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Wolff-bites Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
Respect!! :)
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brihanna25 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2015
So it's okay to randomly hump each other in public places?😂
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Primaltimediamond Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
whoa all the hate on this stamp it's ridiculous, but it sure opened  my eyes because you're right. 

Animals rape yet we think rape is bad
animals canibalise we think that canibalism is bad 

yet when homosexuality gets brought onto the table it's suddenly "BUT ANIMALS DO IT SO IT'S OK"  I understand why it's being said and I don't have anything against homosexuality but it's some really backwards logic 
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BBChild Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015   Traditional Artist
Exactly.  If the argument doesn't work all across the table, it certainly won't work for a specific dish or piece of silver. 
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Primaltimediamond Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
holy shit all those people replying to you...the stupidity I can't understand it >>
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BBChild Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2015   Traditional Artist
Yeah, well… oh well.  x'D  I think most of them don't understand the point I'm getting at (I don't think many of them understand logical fallacies).  But I've also had some pretty decent discussions on this thread, so there is still hope!
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Primaltimediamond Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I saw, my faith in humanity has restored some XD 
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Hyenax Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Homosexuality is OK. Anything which does not cause harm to another person is OK. This deviation is not OK.

Case closed.
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SionnaDehr Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
So, by your logic, self harm, of any kind, is okay. We shouldn't try to discourage it. We shouldn't take people who are harming themselves intentionally aside and try to help them because they're not hurting anyone else. They're just exorcising their right over their own bodies after all, right?
:)
You still missed the point of my stamp.
Since you did, I'll help you.
Consider this: animals don't care whether or not they cause harm to others. They don't have a clue. In many cases, harming another one of their species is an act of dominance (see wolves or any other carnivorous beastie). With people saying humans are no different than animals doesn't that mean animalistic morality is totally and completely up for grabs. Which means that your point is automatically invalid and the case is, most certainly, not closed.
You're welcome 
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Hyenax Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Well self harm isn't OK but if they really want to do it then that's their choice, it's not harming anyone else.

And I never tried to justify harming other people so what are you even talking about? I said homosexuality is OK. That has nothing to do with harming another person, and if you believe that it does then please explain to me how.
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BBChild Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015   Traditional Artist
Why is homosexuality okay?
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Hyenax Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Because it doesn't harm anyone. Why isn't it ok?
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BBChild Featured By Owner Edited Feb 12, 2015   Traditional Artist

The idea that homosexuality doesn't "harm anyone" is only partially true.  Perhaps homo/bisexual couples are not immediately damaging their partner like rape or murder would.  However, man-on-man intercourse in particular has significant risks; research has shown the fragile anus is not meant to be penetrated, and there are even more imminent risks to fecal exposure.  

As stated by Centers For Disease Control and Prevention: "In 2008, men who have sex with men (MSM) accounted for 63% of primary and secondary syphilis cases in the United States. MSM often are diagnosed with other bacterial STDs, including chlamydia and gonorrhea infections.  Gay and bisexual men can be infected with HPV (Human Papillomavirus), the most common STD in the United States. Some types of HPV cause genital and anal warts and some can lead to the development of anal and oral cancer. Men who have sex with men are 17 times more likely to develop anal cancer than heterosexual men."

And also:

"Men who have sex with men (MSM) accounted for 63% of the estimated new HIV infections in 2010… For gay and bisexual men, HIV, hepatitis, and other STDs are of particular concern… The rate of new HIV diagnoses among MSM is more than 44 times that of other men, while the rate of primary and secondary syphilis among MSM is more than 46 times that of other men."  (Emphasis mine)

There is also the fact that it is mentally harmful, as both lesbians and gays tend to have higher stress levels and periods of depression than heterosexuals.  Lesbians also tend to have a higher rate of obesity and smoking (indirect results of a lesbian lifestyle), which increase health risks.

Obviously, it does harm the individuals involved, so you will have to pick a different argument besides that.  The burden of proof is on you to support the idea that homosexuality is "okay." 

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Wolff-bites Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
Anyone can suffer from depression and stress, perhaps if people didn't hate on gays and lesbians so much and tell them that their way of life is wrong then they wouldn't become depressed.

Not all gay men have sex. It's their choice anyway and if they choose not to wear protection etc. it would only harm them; not you. So why does it bother you?
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BBChild Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015   Traditional Artist
Of course anyone can suffer from depression and stress; lesbians are just more likely to suffer from those two things (along with smoking addictions).

"Not all gay men have sex."
So you are admitting that gay sex is indeed harmful, then?

"I
t would only harm them; not you."
If it doesn't harm me, I should therefore not care.  Technically, girls who get raped don't "harm" me or involve me, either.  Does that mean I shouldn't be bothered by it, since it doesn't involve me?

How about homeless individuals?  The cold weather does not harm me, so why should I care if it harms them?
If I see a kid being bullied at school, why should I intervene?  It does not harm me, it only harms them.  And if it doesn't harm me - "why should it bother me?"

And I am curious as to where you got the idea that gay sex bothers me, as well.  I am not here because sexual intercourse between homosexuals bothers me.  

I'm here because misinformed individuals making false claims and assessments bothers me.  Such as the ones here denying that homosexual lifestyles can be harmful.  I'm here only to correct that.  If you want to have sex with another woman, I wouldn't be bothered by it at all… but if you were to then say "homosexual lifestyles aren't harmful," then I would step in and point out that you are wrong.
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Hyenax Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Well first of all, you are assuming all gay people have sex which is not true, so that invalidates about 90% of your argument. Secondly, are you saying every gay person is depressed and overweight just because they are MORE LIKELY to be? That also is not true. Why don't you just stop living in the past and accept that being homosexual is OK. Note I said "being homosexual" not "gay sex" - you might want to learn the difference.
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BBChild Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015   Traditional Artist
Err, no, I am not making either of those assumptions.  I am pointing out that gay sex is harmful, and since sex tends to be an important aspect of sexual relationships, it is reasonable to thus conclude that homosexual relationships encourage harmful activities (such as homosexual sex).  Sexual relationships, after all, tend to include sex.

Please check my wording, I specifically said, "lesbians and gays tend to have…"  That is different from saying "every gay person is depressed and overweight."  I'm not sure where you drew that idea from.

"Note I said "being homosexual" not "gay sex."
So you are admitting that gay sex is indeed harmful, then?

"Why don't you just stop living in the past and accept that being homosexual is OK."

"A sure sign of a weak case is when a critic begins with ridicule.  The immediate move to the ad hominem is a sure sign of the lack of substance." Dr. Peter A. Lillback

C:

Perhaps I would accept that "being homosexual is OK" if you were to present me with a logical argument explaining why homosexuality is acceptable.  Simply stating that it is "OK" is not an argument.
The burden of proof is still on you.  I'm still waiting for you to present a logical argument to support you claim that "homosexuality is OK."

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Monochrome-Crystal Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
YES! YES YES YESSSSSSSSS!!! THIS STAMP!!!! And let's not forget about BULLYING in animals! Yes, animals bully each other as well. In fact, in cows, what is considered "lesbian sex" is actually one cow bullying the other. That's right: the cow on top isn't trying to mate with the other cow but she is in fact trying to break the bottom cow's ankles. Just wanted to put that out there...
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BBChild Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015   Traditional Artist
Yes, animals will ex-communicate a member of their group just because of the SIZE or SMELL of the other animal.  Do you see anyone saying that humans should do the same since it's natural for animals to do that?  ^.-
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snowpuff77 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2015
That one about cannibalistic hens? The poultry at my school farm had no shame pecking and eating an egg that a boy carelessly dropped on the ground. Guess I shouldn't be surprised about a bigger approach. Rape in animals? Aw, Geez... I once saw 3 male ducks chasing a female duck, knock her down, then try to pile themselves on her. Ugh! Talk about gang rape!
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JonathanSkits Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ikr what if someone said that jumping off a cliff was the best thing not everyone's going to do it
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