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You Can't Even Argue This Point by SionnaDehr You Can't Even Argue This Point by SionnaDehr
I mean really, the phrase, "because God said so" makes more logical sense than "if animals can do itz totes fine!"
For the most part, people use this to try and say homosexuality is okay. I find that a problem. I find that a big problem. After all, I thought humans were supposed to be evolved beyond basic animalistic tendencies. Using this argument to try and prove what many view to be a lifestyle choice doesn't work very well.
May I draw you to this stamp [link] that explains the issue in better words than I ever could? Well, I just did so I will continue.
Animals do a lot of things that we find rather disgusting if a human does it. Like cannibalism for an example.
Links to Cannibalism:
[link](zoology) -for a general idea of it in the wild.
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Let's see, what else is out there? Oh yes! Rape in animals!
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Of course, when searching for this on the internet, I mostly find shit about human abuse to animals concerning this subject. I'm not going to dig through the internet to find this stuff.

Now, what else can I list? Oh, wait, killing!
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If I had the mindset to think of the right keywords, I would probably have a better time finding what I'm looking for. As it is, I have a head cold, so my research skills are down. Anyway, the list could go on and I'm sure if I looked harder under all categorical abominations (or what are considered abominations in the human race). My point is that if people are going to try and prove something right, they might not want to use the animal kingdom as a reliable source. Yes, I'm especially talking to you evolutionists who loooove using this excuse. Find something else, please?

Actually, if there are any other arguments out there, please feel free to comment and tell me the other reasons. I'm not as interested in refuting them as I am interested in knowing what people are saying.

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[link] Adding this because it accurately illustrates the sheer stupidity of the "animals do it so its okay" argument.
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The-Max765 Featured By Owner 1 hour ago  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The argument you described is a response to the claim that homosexuality is unnatural and therefore evil. It is not advocating rape or murder. It's merely pointing out that the claims of fundamentalists are wrong. By giving examples of homosexuality in nature, it's just a counter to claiming that gays are evil because being gay is unnatural.
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ACommissionReviewer Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2016
No one is arguing that homosexuality is okay because animals do it, they are arguing homosexuality is NATURAL because animals do it. You do not know how to represent the other side of the coin at all. 
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crazynoggin Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
technically were animals and we do it so its fine
case closed
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Twilightlover2007 Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2016  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter

Why is it illegal to rape then? Why is it illegal to murder? Animals do it all the time; we are not animals.

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crazynoggin Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
that was a joke m8
and we are animals
"Humans are classified as animals. The human's phylum is Chordata (vertebrate). The human's class is mammalia. It's order is primate (the same as apes). It's family is Hominidae (apes that have no tail and can gather food with their hands.) The Human's sub-family is Homininae. It's tribe is Hominini. It's genus is ->HOMO<- and it's specie is scientifically named HOMO Sapiens."
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shark235 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2016  New Deviant Hobbyist Traditional Artist
So are you going to do the stuff that animals do? Such as gang rape.
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crowncrowy Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2015  Student Filmographer
it is used to prove that homosexually is natural, and not just some trend humans made up to be different,
because thats a defense many homophobic people use.
so maybe you should do some more research. :)
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axris Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2015  New Deviant Student Artist
but take this into consideration:
"A man in a purgatorial state of existence where we cannot prove that they do or do not exist said it's a sin, therefore my source is better than the hundreds of years of proven science that says we evolved from monkeys and rats, both of which are considered animals!!"

Are you seriously comparing a loving, caring relationship between two people of the same gender to the act of cannibalism, rape, and killing as if they're the same thing? as if they're equally as harmful? When did two men kissing on a park bench during a sunday afternoon suddenly violate your body, cause your husband to inexplicably drop dead, and for your children to start eating his body?

also, just because many view it as a lifestyle choice doesn't mean it is a lifestyle choice.

a lot of christians thought that the world was flat a little over 600 years ago, that didn't make the world flat, did it?
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MissAquaPastel Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2015  Student Digital Artist
When people say homosexuality is okay because animals do it, it's usually when homophobic people say it's not natural. So yeah, the argument makes sense.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
But then, that leaves it open for, what is natural for HUMANS....
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ACommissionReviewer Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2015
I can't cringe harder at your poor argument here. There is so much to say and so I made a response: acommissionreviewer.deviantart… Enjoy 
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pokyzard Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Ummmmmm, very interesting thing you got going here, but I think you missed one big thing here.... Humans are animals... sssoooo, ya :/
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underMADZpillow Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2015   General Artist
Wait, what?  You're missing the point. 
She means animals, as in non-human creatures. 
And I personally believe that humans are in no way
related to animals... Despite the fact that I may or
may not have cat-like habits.  Those are my fault.
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pokyzard Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Humans evolved from apes... We are animals. Our ancestors are litterly apes.
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underMADZpillow Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2015   General Artist
Oh, okay.  I don't believe in Mr. Darwin's theory of Evolution.  I mean, if he even doubted his theory, why shouldn't we?  XD  It does have many missing links.
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Mclandis Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
Darwin didn't doubt his own proposal; he had the evidence needed to convince himself and others that natural selection and descent with modification were real processes, and his own theories were vindicated within his lifetime.

Also, there are no "missing links."
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
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underMADZpillow Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2015   General Artist
Well then, I'm not even going to argue your loyalty to Darwin.   :)  Good day.
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Tuuc Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2015
It is a silly argument on its own, but it is a very legitimate counter-argument to the whole "homosexuality is unnatural" idea which is the context where it is almost always used.
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JonathanSkits Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Animals do it to reproduce.
People today do it just because they think its funny.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
So true...
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Nymphster Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
lmao thats totally incorrect 
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JonathanSkits Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Uh no its not
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Nymphster Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
it is tbh
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JonathanSkits Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Uh not people these days are using it for pleasure when in actuality they need to find a husband or wife.
Not a bunch of boyfriends or girlfriends.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I half agree
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Nymphster Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
?? that makes no fucking sense 
literally everyone does this, even you straights lmao.
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RedAmerican1945 Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2015
Technically humans are animals if were looking at it as a biological standpoint. So really us and animals do very similar things, the constants are eating, fucking, breathing etc etc...
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DahSnakDatSmalsBck Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2015
meow meow meow meow meow
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SionnaDehr Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Woof woof bark
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DahSnakDatSmalsBck Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2015
poop poop meow meow meow meow meow
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CharlieTheKiller Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Technically, nothing is unnatural.
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SierraFaith Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes
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Josh-Toons Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2015  Hobbyist Filmographer
"Jimmy! Stop pooping on the lawn!"
"But mom, wolves do it!"
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llazzi Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2015  Hobbyist
This comment is perfect
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Josh-Toons Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2015  Hobbyist Filmographer
Thank you!
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iSapphirus Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks for making this stamp. Ppl always use aimals as excuses in general for things.
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Stella-Miner Featured By Owner Edited Jul 10, 2015
your profile pic... I love it
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iSapphirus Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks a lot. ^^
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TheiCarlyAngel Featured By Owner Edited Jun 11, 2015  Student Artist
Gothic-Bunny-13 :
Jak Rolls Eyes Thanks Bunny for yet another one of your disgusting lies. I can support and not support whatever I want. Get over it already. Rainbow Dash (facepalm) #2 plz 

fidofia:
 I've also been bullied and hurt as Hell too, both physically and emotionally. How the heck am I hateful for not supporting something that I find uncomfortable, unnatural, and wrong? It's not my fault your emotional disorder gets in the way of who you are. I won't feel bad for people who don't at least try to be okay and be happy. If they seek for help, guidance, acceptance, and love, then everything will be fine. I guarantee you 100%. And don't say 'You're the reason why they can't!' Terrible excuse. I am not stopping them for not seeking for help in real life or online for that matter. You also make the LGBT being bullied look like a complete joke when you call me hateful when I haven't even met them in real life, nor was I a part of their past nor present. I stated an opinion of what I think, nothing more.

Also so you're saying you think heterosexuality is unnatural, wrong, and not a good thing? In which I have no problem with, but it sounds like what you're implying. :P Also yeah, I do refuse to what gay programs. I already do that. I'm just saying that I am disappointed that they would do that. I never said gays wasn't for television. That's why I rarely watch anime since you have that.

I can help make them feel okay and welcomed and help let them know I won't judge them like a book from it's cover, but I refuse to support homosexuality and that is something they're going to have to emotionally control. It's not my fault they didn't seek for a loved one's help to help make them feel stronger.
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nightengale1028 Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2015
....you do under stand that humans are animals and biodiversity is a good thing right? The only difference is that were senescent and even then thats not a big difference  just please for the love of god get off your high horse.
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shark235 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2016  New Deviant Hobbyist Traditional Artist
We can also control our instincts.
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nightengale1028 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2016
not really stress, nationalism , even clothing. let me explain

we get stress from our primal instinct of fight or flight. we ignore that one causing Adrenalin and such to build up creating that feeling. We want to run but we ignore it. Nationalism is like pride in your pack. its your pack your home. you would do anything to protect it from others. Clothing. We use clothing to look better to possible attract a mate. we fight over territory and things we want just like animals we just do it differently. we got lucky.  lets go way back ok? somewhere in afreca there was a group of people hunting the first "Modern" family if you will. soon that family grew. and spread we moved threw out Asia and then Europe and even across the Atlantic into america before getting cut off. our looks changed to where we where.  we grew mentaly. we had time to think and plan. we built empires ideas of WHY things where. then the idea of gods and why they did what they did storys and ideas to make people think people made gods and worshiped some good some bad. we grew more and more. then then the Romans left us like a dying ember...then we had the dark ages. (you know that time Christianity did have a chance to rule the world....on the east at least...) and it was dark then new ideas on how things came an age of light though still bloody form the dark ages people thought of what we where more...now im skipping a lot of history but we acted like a invasive species in a way  we moved in developed to be better than the compotiotn of the local population. and became domment 
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TheTrueMadHatter Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2015  Student General Artist
 //Well we are animals.
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shark235 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2016  New Deviant Hobbyist Traditional Artist
And yet in someways we act different from them.
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TheTrueMadHatter Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2016  Student General Artist
//Sometimes.
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nightengale1028 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2016
YOU DIDDLY DERP ITS CALLED SENTIENCE! GO PLAY SPORE! 
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shark235 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2016  New Deviant Hobbyist Traditional Artist
:la:
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JustSomeStranger Featured By Owner Edited May 19, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
"I thought humans were supposed to be evolved beyond basic animalistic tendencies"

That's not what evolution is about AT ALL. The basic concept of evolution is about a species changing to adapt to a specific or to multiple environments so they can survive & reproduce.

Also, views on cannibalism range from culture to culture. Most cultures (including western culture) view it as immoral. There are however, many cultures that don't, and practice it whenever a member of their community has died as a way to honour them.

The point of the argument that "animals do it too" is to show you that humans really aren't much different to animals. Which we're not. We're not the only species to use tools, practice farming, keep pets, or in this case, partake in gay sex.

Humans will always have instincts considered to be "animalistic" (I.e. sexuality, aggression, etc) because humans ARE animals. The fact that most of us live in houses hasn't changed that.

EDIT: Also, I would just like to point out. While the post you linked is right in some parts, never the less has a very poor understanding of animal phycology & behavior.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etholo…

I would point out why this is, except the topic of animal behaviour is so vast & complicated & even I only have a very basic understanding of it.
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