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You Can't Even Argue This Point by SionnaDehr You Can't Even Argue This Point by SionnaDehr
I mean really, the phrase, "because God said so" makes more logical sense than "if animals can do itz totes fine!"
For the most part, people use this to try and say homosexuality is okay. I find that a problem. I find that a big problem. After all, I thought humans were supposed to be evolved beyond basic animalistic tendencies. Using this argument to try and prove what many view to be a lifestyle choice doesn't work very well.
May I draw you to this stamp [link] that explains the issue in better words than I ever could? Well, I just did so I will continue.
Animals do a lot of things that we find rather disgusting if a human does it. Like cannibalism for an example.
Links to Cannibalism:
[link](zoology) -for a general idea of it in the wild.
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Let's see, what else is out there? Oh yes! Rape in animals!
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Of course, when searching for this on the internet, I mostly find shit about human abuse to animals concerning this subject. I'm not going to dig through the internet to find this stuff.

Now, what else can I list? Oh, wait, killing!
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If I had the mindset to think of the right keywords, I would probably have a better time finding what I'm looking for. As it is, I have a head cold, so my research skills are down. Anyway, the list could go on and I'm sure if I looked harder under all categorical abominations (or what are considered abominations in the human race). My point is that if people are going to try and prove something right, they might not want to use the animal kingdom as a reliable source. Yes, I'm especially talking to you evolutionists who loooove using this excuse. Find something else, please?

Actually, if there are any other arguments out there, please feel free to comment and tell me the other reasons. I'm not as interested in refuting them as I am interested in knowing what people are saying.

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[link] Adding this because it accurately illustrates the sheer stupidity of the "animals do it so its okay" argument.
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:icongavin-the-bunny:
It's a more valid reason than "[Religious figure/text] said so".

The whole "Animals do it" isn't suppose to mean "Everything animals do is okay", it's to mean Homosexuality is a part of nature, and no, it doesn't imply bad stuff animals do is okay for humans, because homosexuality is much different than the bad things animal do.
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iiskittlex Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2016
Humans have a soul and the knowledge.
Animals have their instincts and their adaptation. 
Humans are animals but that doesn't mean they are 100%.
end of discussion
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CakePawzz Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2016
Humans AREN'T animals..

What has happened to logic in this world.. -_-
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SterileRitalin Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually humans are animals.
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CakePawzz Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2016
Sorry but no. ._.

It's fine that you think that, but I disagree.
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SterileRitalin Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I have some bad news for you, science have proven that humans are indeed animals. We're also related to animals, mainly primates.
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Toy-Chica-Chan Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I thought that humans were animals, but I guess not *sigh*
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The-Max765 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The argument you described is a response to the claim that homosexuality is unnatural and therefore evil. It is not advocating rape or murder. It's merely pointing out that the claims of fundamentalists are wrong. By giving examples of homosexuality in nature, it's just a counter to claiming that gays are evil because being gay is unnatural.
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PrincessMagical Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
God doesn't make anyone LGBT and He doesn't make animals gay either. Jesus loves you and wants to free us all from Satan's bondage.

youtube.com/watch?v=uQGA-n4JyO…
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The-Max765 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Love, that's an odd way to describe a cosmic overlord entity that supposedly tortures people in unspeakable ways for eternity for 1984-style thought crimes. Does Satan give us fun music, electricity, modern medicine, and free will, too? Because God's way for getting mold out of your house is... this. Leviticus 14:33-57.

33 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, 34 “When you enter the land of Canaan, which I am giving you as your possession, and I put a spreading mold in a house in that land, 35 the owner of the house must go and tell the priest, ‘I have seen something that looks like a defiling mold in my house.’ 36 The priest is to order the house to be emptied before he goes in to examine the mold, so that nothing in the house will be pronounced unclean. After this the priest is to go in and inspect the house. 37 He is to examine the mold on the walls, and if it has greenish or reddish depressions that appear to be deeper than the surface of the wall, 38 the priest shall go out the doorway of the house and close it up for seven days. 39 On the seventh day the priest shall return to inspect the house. If the mold has spread on the walls, 40 he is to order that the contaminated stones be torn out and thrown into an unclean place outside the town. 41 He must have all the inside walls of the house scraped and the material that is scraped off dumped into an unclean place outside the town. 42 Then they are to take other stones to replace these and take new clay and plaster the house.

43 “If the defiling mold reappears in the house after the stones have been torn out and the house scraped and plastered, 44 the priest is to go and examine it and, if the mold has spread in the house, it is a persistent defiling mold; the house is unclean. 45 It must be torn down—its stones, timbers and all the plaster—and taken out of the town to an unclean place.

46 “Anyone who goes into the house while it is closed up will be unclean till evening. 47 Anyone who sleeps or eats in the house must wash their clothes.

48 “But if the priest comes to examine it and the mold has not spread after the house has been plastered, he shall pronounce the house clean, because the defiling mold is gone. 49 To purify the house he is to take two birds and some cedar wood, scarlet yarn and hyssop.50 He shall kill one of the birds over fresh water in a clay pot. 51 Then he is to take the cedar wood, the hyssop, the scarlet yarn and the live bird, dip them into the blood of the dead bird and the fresh water, and sprinkle the house seven times. 52 He shall purify the house with the bird’s blood, the fresh water, the live bird, the cedar wood, the hyssop and the scarlet yarn. 53 Then he is to release the live bird in the open fields outside the town. In this way he will make atonement for the house, and it will be clean.

54 These are the regulations for any defiling skin disease, for a sore,55 for defiling molds in fabric or in a house, 56 and for a swelling, a rash or a shiny spot, 57 to determine when something is clean or unclean.

Imagine if your home renovation found mold, and was required to involve a priest sprinkling bird blood and praying to keep the mold from spreading. God mentions nothing of detergent, which is MUCH better at killing toxic house mold than bird blood. Also, the passages before asserted that killing seven birds and sprinkling their blood on you was a surefire, God-approved cure for "defiling skin disease." No mention of antibiotics like penicillin mold, which the creator of literally everything would HAVE to know about... Unless he somehow forgot about it... and about being omniscient...

And guess who had to figure out modern medicine. Humans. Or, if were continuing the blaming trend, Satan. 

And if you're going to play the ad hominem "evil non-believer!" card, keep in mind that to someone who doesn't believe the Bible is infallible fact, you'll essentially be telling them they're evil and everything wrong with the world... for not believing that the Empire is righteous and holy, and also TOTALLY justified in using the Death Star to blow up Alderaan.

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SeventhClass Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2016
Wasn't that a parable or somethin'?
It feels kinda odd for the Bible to go into detail about mold-removal procedures.
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The-Max765 Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
No. The majority of the Old Testament is either holy burning, pillaging, and raping (yes, RAPING. All perfectly okay and condoned by God. Do a quick Google search of disturbing Moses quotes. Your head will spin from the quantity of results and sheer depravity of the ancient Israelites'  worldview.) or specific instructions for believers on how to avoid pissing off their bloodthirsty cosmic overlord. Rituals, taboos, prayer, more taboos, brutal punishments for such things as working on the Sabbath or making jokes about Elijah being bald...

Yeah.  And the New Testament is founded on the Old Testament. Jesus "Make religion more important than your own family or you aren't worth saving" of Nazareth is the son of SPECIFICALLY THE GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT. 

Yyyyeeeeaah... Messed-up stuff.
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SeventhClass Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2016
Meh, you sound like you enjoy bashing the Bible more than you do presenting a decent argument.

'Course, the Old Testament was really fucked up, but still. .-.
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The-Max765 Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Because it's a book that claims to be the first, last, and only authority on everything, EVER, and people, lots of people believe it. Including the claims about morality. Supposedly, the Bible is the only source of morality we filthy mortal worms have. 

Looking at at the priorities the Bible has... That is twisted. Commandment One is "you will grovel before me or I will fucking muder you, your family, your friends, your friends' families, and all of your farm animals", and only by Commandment SIX does God get around to "killing people is bad", and even then, it only applies to his chosen few. Anyone else, you can kill them in any brutal way you want. 

Many devout Christians smear their more friendly brethren with accusations of cherry-picking. However, these same people who wear mixed fabrics, eat pigs, shellfish, and cheeseburgers, work on Sunday... And yet use the EXACT SAME BOOK OF THE BIBLE to claim that gays = Satan. They also are quite fond of bringing up the Ten Commandments, which are found in the OT. And if Jesus was the son of God, which God? The Old Testament is clearly still very valid...

I guess what I'm trying to say is, the humanity-shaming, self-righteous us-vs-them attitudes of... well, every religion, really... They cause far more harm than good. There's a huge difference between "the world is a beautiful place filled with wonders" and "the world is a beautiful place filled with wonders THEREFORE MY RELIGION SHOULD GET TO RUN IT".

Coming from an atheist (oh Flying Spaghetti Monster help me I said it), we need spiritual fruits instead of religious nuts.
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SeventhClass Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2016
"Many devout Christians smear their more friendly brethren with accusations of cherry-picking. However, these same people who wear mixed fabrics, eat pigs, shellfish, and cheeseburgers, work on Sunday... And yet use the EXACT SAME BOOK OF THE BIBLE to claim that gays = Satan."

Of course, those laws are in the Old Testament and should therefor be ignored, but I certainly catch your cold.

Yeah, I'll definitely agree with you on that one.
But since I'm cold and stressed out, I'll need to refrain from going on at length about this.
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ACommissionReviewer Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2016
No one is arguing that homosexuality is okay because animals do it, they are arguing homosexuality is NATURAL because animals do it. You do not know how to represent the other side of the coin at all. 
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crazynoggin Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
technically were animals and we do it so its fine
case closed
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Twilightlover2007 Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2016  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter

Why is it illegal to rape then? Why is it illegal to murder? Animals do it all the time; we are not animals.

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crazynoggin Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
that was a joke m8
and we are animals
"Humans are classified as animals. The human's phylum is Chordata (vertebrate). The human's class is mammalia. It's order is primate (the same as apes). It's family is Hominidae (apes that have no tail and can gather food with their hands.) The Human's sub-family is Homininae. It's tribe is Hominini. It's genus is ->HOMO<- and it's specie is scientifically named HOMO Sapiens."
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shark235 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
So are you going to do the stuff that animals do? Such as gang rape.
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crowncrowy Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2015  Student Filmographer
it is used to prove that homosexually is natural, and not just some trend humans made up to be different,
because thats a defense many homophobic people use.
so maybe you should do some more research. :)
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axris Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2015  Student Artist
but take this into consideration:
"A man in a purgatorial state of existence where we cannot prove that they do or do not exist said it's a sin, therefore my source is better than the hundreds of years of proven science that says we evolved from monkeys and rats, both of which are considered animals!!"

Are you seriously comparing a loving, caring relationship between two people of the same gender to the act of cannibalism, rape, and killing as if they're the same thing? as if they're equally as harmful? When did two men kissing on a park bench during a sunday afternoon suddenly violate your body, cause your husband to inexplicably drop dead, and for your children to start eating his body?

also, just because many view it as a lifestyle choice doesn't mean it is a lifestyle choice.

a lot of christians thought that the world was flat a little over 600 years ago, that didn't make the world flat, did it?
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pastel-suqar Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2015  Student Digital Artist
When people say homosexuality is okay because animals do it, it's usually when homophobic people say it's not natural. So yeah, the argument makes sense.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
But then, that leaves it open for, what is natural for HUMANS....
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ACommissionReviewer Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2015
I can't cringe harder at your poor argument here. There is so much to say and so I made a response: acommissionreviewer.deviantart… Enjoy 
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pokyzard Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Ummmmmm, very interesting thing you got going here, but I think you missed one big thing here.... Humans are animals... sssoooo, ya :/
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underMADZpillow Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2015   General Artist
Wait, what?  You're missing the point. 
She means animals, as in non-human creatures. 
And I personally believe that humans are in no way
related to animals... Despite the fact that I may or
may not have cat-like habits.  Those are my fault.
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pokyzard Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Humans evolved from apes... We are animals. Our ancestors are litterly apes.
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underMADZpillow Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2015   General Artist
Oh, okay.  I don't believe in Mr. Darwin's theory of Evolution.  I mean, if he even doubted his theory, why shouldn't we?  XD  It does have many missing links.
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Mclandis Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
Darwin didn't doubt his own proposal; he had the evidence needed to convince himself and others that natural selection and descent with modification were real processes, and his own theories were vindicated within his lifetime.

Also, there are no "missing links."
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
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underMADZpillow Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2015   General Artist
Well then, I'm not even going to argue your loyalty to Darwin.   :)  Good day.
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Tuuc Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2015
It is a silly argument on its own, but it is a very legitimate counter-argument to the whole "homosexuality is unnatural" idea which is the context where it is almost always used.
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JonathanSkits Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Animals do it to reproduce.
People today do it just because they think its funny.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
So true...
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Nymphster Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
lmao thats totally incorrect 
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JonathanSkits Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Uh no its not
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Nymphster Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
it is tbh
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JonathanSkits Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Uh not people these days are using it for pleasure when in actuality they need to find a husband or wife.
Not a bunch of boyfriends or girlfriends.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I half agree
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Nymphster Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
?? that makes no fucking sense 
literally everyone does this, even you straights lmao.
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RedAmerican1945 Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2015
Technically humans are animals if were looking at it as a biological standpoint. So really us and animals do very similar things, the constants are eating, fucking, breathing etc etc...
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DahSnakDatSmalsBck Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2015
meow meow meow meow meow
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SionnaDehr Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Woof woof bark
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DahSnakDatSmalsBck Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2015
poop poop meow meow meow meow meow
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CharlieTheKiller Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Technically, nothing is unnatural.
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SierraFaith Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes
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Josh-Toons Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2015  Hobbyist Filmographer
"Jimmy! Stop pooping on the lawn!"
"But mom, wolves do it!"
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llazzi Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2015  Hobbyist
This comment is perfect
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