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So What Are We Arguing About by SionnaDehr So What Are We Arguing About by SionnaDehr
Of course, I am not simply referring to homosexuality and all that applies to that particular lifestyle. I am also referring to lifestyles lead by strippers, prostitutes (though there are certain unfortunate reasons that put some of those poor people in that position, but I'm not referring to those precisely), Incestuous couples, and people that either sleep around with multiple partners or just sleep with one lover at a time until they get married. There are others but this is all that I can think of at the top of my head.
No, I don't like the way you guys live your lives. No I do not have to accept the way you live your lives. I can tolerate it, sure, but I'm not going to vote for something that is against my moral convictions whether I am religious or not.
With that being said, this does NOT give either side an excuse to treat each other like the scum of the earth. Contrary to popular belief, not every Christian (or Abrahamic based religion) wants homosexuals and other sinners to burn in the fiery pits of hell. What is said about Hitler need not apply here (lol). But that is not the point of Christianity. Christianity is a lifestyle of modesty, in reality, and not a lifestyle that alienates people from the world. Sadly, many people treat it like that. It is also not a lifestyle based solely on blind love as some Christians try to make it. It is a lifestyle of reason, deep philosophical thinkers that merely want to understand the universe that God has created for us to observe. Due to the way many of my constituents act, I can understand how hard this is to accept, but may I link you to at least one church website (with audio and notes on pdf) to show you? [link]
I'm not trying to convert anyone, I just simply want you to understand that not every Sunday church goer listens to "sermons" or "preachers". Some of us love teachers too. :)

Now, I am also very much aware of the fact that there are people in the non-christian (and chrisitian) community who live a lifestyle that I don't agree with. As for Christians, all I can say is that you know what the Lord says about certain things and that, ultimately, it is between you and God. All I can do is encourage you and, maybe even, exhort you lovingly. But, even so, you are brothers and sisters in Christ even if you don't follow His walk completely. So long as you believe and trust that Jesus Christ died for your sins and rose again from the grave three days later and that he is, not just the son of God, but also God himself, I will see you in heaven. Those of you who are not Christians and live the lifestyles that I do not agree with please understand that I do not hate you. I understand that me not thinking or accepting you for who you are seems as a slight against everyone who is like you, but its not. I don't like or agree with everyone listening to pop music. I think communism is moronic. I disagree with a lot of things that people like, but I don't hate the people who think that way.

So, what I'm trying to say is, Christians: stop acting like stark raving lunatics. You have no reason to unless there is some serious hurt going on from the other side (like if gay rights activists go into a Chick-fil-a restaurant and vandalize and insult and hurt the innocent employees *Do not deny that this happened there are too many witnesses*). Respond to them, but don't react. Reacting isn't always the best thing to do. Others: stop acting like the world revolves around you (and I can say this to Christians too, so both sides take a look at both of my addresses) and your lifestyle. If each of you puts aside your differences and talk you might actually be able to civilly discuss your matters without the kicking and screaming.

Thank you and good day.
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RainbowStrick Featured By Owner 2 days ago  New Deviant Professional General Artist
I love the comments on this stamp. XD
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FireNationPhoenix Featured By Owner Edited Feb 25, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
you never said you hate gay people and you are being polite with expressing yourself, but hypocrites are giving you a hard  time, i'd disable the comments if i were you, people just aren't mature enough to respect that people have a right to disagree with something. i disagree with many things, but unlike these hypocrites, i don't berate people for disagreeing with me, and you don't either, you are doing everything right, just ignore these jerks, you are being very polite, these babies just can't handle other opinions, even when expressed politely. keep on making stamps :)
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ErinTheEevee Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It's kinda funny reading these comments, everyone is being so butthurt.
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cakep0p Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2014   Digital Artist
yes, its a lifestyle. of course. i totally CHOSE to be gay, even though they get murdered, beat up, harassed, and bullied every day just for being gay.... Yep, i LOVE the pain, im a motherfucking masochist man thats why i'm gay, i want to get fucking murdered. i want to get shunned. love it. love this lifestyle that causes me pain
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Soarm Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
.....................Did you even read the description....?
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cakep0p Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2014   Digital Artist
Yes, I always do. What do you take me for.............? I don't see your point
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Soarm Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
She never said being gay was a choice..
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cakep0p Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2014   Digital Artist
Okay? She never directly said it, but generally, when people see being gay as some evil abomination, they also think it's a choice and that you can stop being gay, when that's not the case :I
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Soarm Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
:| Um..Okay? and whats your point? She never stated anything about homosexuality being a choice or a lifestyle. She even stated it in the description.
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cakep0p Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2014   Digital Artist
Um.... Have you realized that I don't give a fuck, because she implied it, and that's enough?
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Soarm Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
She didn't imply anything, and you obviously "Give a fuck" if you decided to make this pointless comment. :| 
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TotallyMaddHatter Featured By Owner May 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
"I can tolerate it, sure, but I'm not going to vote for something that is against my moral convictions whether I am religious or not. " Thats just it though, you get to vote on weather or not I am allowed to marry the man I love. I can not do that to you no matter what my morals and convictions are. You should not be able to use those morals and convictions to control such an aspect(or any aspect) of another persons life.  Not a lifestyle, lifestyle implies pattern of behavior and choice, not every gay person has enough in common to warrant it being called such and it is not a choice no matter how hard some want to believe it is. 

Look, if the world were reversed and people were decrying the "heterosexual life style" would that stop you from being attracted to men? Would it stop you form wanting to be with a man you loved, would it stop you from wanting to marry him? Would you take kindly to other people who don't even know you getting to vote on what you are allowed to do with your life?  All because of morals and convictions you yourself might not even believe in. How could you not equate that to those people must hate you that much that they would deny you aspects of life others around you get to enjoy without a fight or fuss?
Is it really that hard to put yourself in my shoes?

You should not get to decide if I get to marry or adopt or anything else, and really you shouldn't want to. After all I wouldn't do that to you. 
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Jenny345 Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2014
Nice. I wholly agree.
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katrinahood Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I like that you don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle, but you're not being hateful.
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JulianaJealousy Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
When I first saw this stamp I was assuming it had to do with xXx (straight edge life vs non straight edge) or something like that
but after reading the whole thing and comments I am just feeling WTF did I read just now this is completely off the wall
and before somebody tries to give their reasoning I am religious but not of the Christian faith
(Hispanic Jewish girl yeah I know odd right?)
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Kell0x Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Student Digital Artist
*How would you feel if I get t choose that you aren't allowed to get married to your boyfriend and the government agrees on my behalf?
Don't you think that would be kind of discrimination and insane that strangers get to tell you how to live your life?

Think about that.
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Kell0x Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Student Digital Artist
As a homosexual person I just have to ask what is a homosexual life style? All of my gay-bi friends have different life styles.
One is a social butterfly that is outgoing with her girlfriend and  has a job as a guard she and her girlfriend are both vegs and Buddhist , while the other is a workaholic who also tends anime conventions with her wife , the other works at home and hardly leaves his apartment and is selling his artwork while living with his boyfriend. Another one has a long distant relationship with his boyfriend and is a art student and addicting to playing video games at the weekend. Another young Cristian woman lives with her parents and does a part time job and sometimes goes on dates and to her local church.

So..if you are going to call homosexuality a life style, you see it as a repeated patern  of people who follow the same set of rules and/or belief.
Orientation doesn't  define a person's life or belief it defines who they choose as a partner. That doesn't make it a life style. 



"See, this is what I have a problem with. How we vote in America should NOT be dictated by our personal moral convictions"

Well see that's kind of homophobia. You are pressing your moral belief on me and evoking my right to marry/work/adopt just because you don't like my relationship.

Which is kind of weird because you don't even know me my partner or what my relationship is like yet you get to have a VOTE on it? 
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Gametastic Featured By Owner May 4, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
What....

Homosexual lifestyle = living your life as a homosexual

life·style
ˈlīfˌstīl/
noun

the way in which a person or group lives.
"the benefits of a healthy lifestyle"
synonyms:way of life, way of living, life, situation, fate, lot; More
  • denoting advertising or products designed to appeal to a consumer by association with a desirable lifestyle.
    modifier noun: lifestyle; modifier noun: life-style

 

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  • denoting advertising or products designed to appeal to a consumer by association with a desirable lifestyle.
    modifier noun: lifestyle; modifier noun: life-style



How does being a homosexual have anything to do with such? Homosexuals are all different, you have homosexuals who live as vegetarians  or Religious homosexuals, you have homosexuals  who are workaholics or devout themselves to art ect

Not all homosexuals appeal to one sort of product or the same way. The only thing that homosexuals have in common is the gender they are attracted to but that is far to small to to make it a 'life style'' notice how nobody refers heterosexual to be a life style.
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Gametastic Featured By Owner May 4, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
You're taking this the wrong way *clears mah throat*

When religious people talk about the "homosexual lifestyle" they're referring to a lifestyle of living in sin (by their definition of sin). 

But while you may not engage in it, there is actually a homosexual lifestyle that some people live. It would be the minority, but I don't think you can deny that there is a homosexual sub-culture out there that some people throw themselves into.Its how one lives their life. How one modifies there "style" of life. Is vegetarian a life style? just because they dont eat meat? I know many vegetarians that eat egg products, some eat fish, some dont eat any animal products at all.... and many of them cheat, on the occasion to.my point is this: they are just aspects of anyone's life they do not define anyone as a whole, and you can have many lifestyles that you claim to be your own. Same thing goes with the 'Religious lifestyle' or the 'healthy lifestyle'
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Kell0x Featured By Owner May 4, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Then by that argument everyone is living that sinful lifestyle, since you cannot deny that people commit sins such as lying gossiping, cheating stealing one way or another.

However the problem is you are thinking of the Christian method of life styles and that isn't universal. What you deem as sinful life style many others deem as a person's sexuality or romantic choices in relationships that is neither nor good or worse then anyone else.

Example I therefore see vegetarians as a life style since they have motives and methods different from the average people. ( personally that I admire.)
 
I don't know any gays in any sort of subculture unless you mean the Art-house types and geeky ones? that's how I know most gays person from but I prefer not to judge.
Personally I am just sick of people thinking just because I am gay it must mean I am in a life style full of parties, sex drugs gay parades drinking and possible Hiv. Because let's be honest that's what some people judge the homosexual life style of and you cannot deny that.

Which is just kinda hilarious cause I never smoked used drugs and only had 2 sips of whine neither am I a big party girl and the parades tend to bore me as I am not a fan of dancing and horrible music.
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Gametastic Featured By Owner May 4, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
lolno bby you're not understanding my statement as well as you think you are
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Kell0x Featured By Owner May 4, 2014  Student Digital Artist
If you say so, then we shouldn't argue futher.
Oh well have a nice day. :iconfabulousplz:
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Gametastic Featured By Owner May 4, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Bye  bye bye.
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kumanoyume Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Tell me, what is so immoral about being attracted to the same gender? No, I'm not talking about people that sleep around - I'm talking about people in committed relationships. Tell me without referencing the bible, or any religious text. 
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MGartist Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013  Student General Artist
I found your description very interesting, though I think it's best to change "those people" and "those" to some other wording because readers could misinterpret and think you're grouping people or not counting homosexual people as people, which would be a huge insult/disrespect in my opinion. You don't seem to have intentionally meant it in that way, but just pointing it out as a just in case there are misunderstandings about your wording. I'm not sure if I worderd it right, but I hope you understand with what I'm getting at.
 I do agree with what you said in the last paragraph, how people shouldn't be extreme in expressing their viewpoints about another lifestyle and about putting differences aside and talk it out. Talk with words of peace and sincerity, not violence and words of hate - which is what I got from what you said here. :) (hmm... "Talk with words of peace and sincerity, not violence and words of hate." I should make a stamp out of that! ^_^).
For me personally, I disagree with the lifestyles you mentioned in the beginning, though I'm on the fence with homosexual life style. (I'm not saying that I am homosexual, which I'm not, but there are close friends of mine that are homosexual and idk, I just don't understand the lifestyle but my friends are really nice and I value people in how he or she is like personality wise and such, no matter of what sexual orientation.
 I respect your viewpoints, I'm just wanting to state my opinion as well and I'm not intending to be argumentive in any way (and I apologize if I sound argumentive). :)
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SionnaDehr Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
You do not sound argumentative and I appreciate your comment! If people were more like you then we'd have less arguments about the subject and actually get something done where everyone's happy versus pissing one group off all the time. Sadly, people get offended even if you do say you support the right but not the lifestyle. 

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Myn-Anthony Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I fully agree. :) Thank you for your bravery in posting this, and also in keeping comments open. ^-^
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Komatsuzaki-Xingqi Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
And here in the comment section, you can see a lot of butthurt. Don't get too close! It's contagious.
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AntiGravityFox Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013  Student General Artist
Why do some people think that disagreement and hatred are the same thing? It's so stupid. It's like saying "because that one person HATES the show I like, means that everyone that just doesn't care for it hates it as well."
There's such a difference, and the people that HATE are the ones giving the ones that just don't ALL OUT SUPPORT what they're doing a bad name.

People are people and should be treated equally, no matter what race, sex, SO etc... It's just terrible to see people treated this way. "Love your neighbor as yourself." "Treat others the way you want to be treated." ... These things are sadly fading, but I love it when people like you come back to light them back up again! :hug:
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Buzzy-Queen-Bee Featured By Owner May 25, 2013
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Pastel--Puppy Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Calm yourself, missy. This person is just saying that while they don't agree with certain lifestyles, they are not going to hate on them. What you're doing is just flat-out being ignorant and spamming.
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Orangecraz Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014
I think that it was intended as a joke. Calm down.
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Pastel--Puppy Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I now realize that. My reply is several months old. And even so, I believe the reply was calm.
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Orangecraz Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2014
Oh yeah...Srry.
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namipeach15 Featured By Owner May 25, 2013
I'm totally against Prostitutes or Prostitution. Those women do sick things to their kids if they are prostitutes. My dad used to be in psychology, one kid was a child of a prostitute. She used to do her "Services" in front of him. That wasn't the problem though. One day some rich guy wanted to see the mother and child have a sexual intercourse, so from ages from seven and up the child was having sex with his own mother. His mother too drugged up to even care...she just did it with her son multiple times. That ended up messing him up real bad, I do care if you're a prostitute. Shame.
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Buzzy-Queen-Bee Featured By Owner May 25, 2013
BUT WHAT IF THE SON LIKED IT
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namipeach15 Featured By Owner May 26, 2013
He didn't, that's why he was in therapy with my dad.
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ImNotWhoUThinkIAm Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
... but isn't that rather an example of horrible parenting in a very missfortunate situation? (she's probably very poor and can't thing of another solution but to sell her body, she's obvioulsy mentally unstable and an addict and therefor in no position to care for a child but rather needs someone to take care of her)
does that giver her the right to misstreat her son? - no, but she needs help and guidance rather than being outcast
further i don't think you can judge all prostitutes from one bad example.
i don't know where you're from, but here in Germany prostiturtion is an offical occupation (you have to pay taxes, medical insurence and all that stuff and you get pension). and i do belive it's a good thing it's handled this way. (there are less rapes, there are strikt regulations, they are in a save environment with security while they do there job and they are usually payed for fairly)
is it what i would want for myself or my children? - no
but i still accept and respect them and their choices, and i am thankful that by doing their job they keep our streets just a little saver. and because it is legal it is supervised and therefor what happened to that boy is a lot less likely to happen.
but if you push prostitutes to do their job in secret it gets a lot more dangerous for them and of course their family. same goes for most "controvercial" life styles.

... you should always be careful when judging people, it's one of the hardest things to do right.
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namipeach15 Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013
Let me tell you something about prostitutes here. They make more money than psycologist. That is a lot of money. Unless she was forced into prositiution then she is not poor. If you think people rape people just solely on sex, then you're wrong. Rape is about power. Rapist are sick mental people who like to stalk woman and rape them. There are 80 year old woman who get raped, do you honestly think the person who raped them just wanted to have sex? No. It turns out rapist target woman who don't look confident. If rapist wanted just sex, then there wouldn't be any rapist. Do you honestly think it made a difference just because prostitiution is legal? People still do prostituttion here whether it's legal or not, they don't care and the prostitutes still get paid. Sometimes with security. If anything, legalizing prostitution would increase rape because rapist want to show women that they're in power, and prostitutes would get paid a lot less because they would have to have an average salary. I can respect people's choices,but I can't respect the person themself. 
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ImNotWhoUThinkIAm Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
i highly doubt, that dirty 20-something girl in the dark alley of some big city makes more than 50 dollars per customer... your average american psycologist makes 70.000 dollars per year. let's do the math: let say she has 400 customers (which is a lot), she'd make 20.000 dollars anualy, but 10 percent of customers dont pay, 3 percent beat her so badly she can't work, she's getting robed and beaten by other prostitudes, and your average robber, she's 10 times more likey to get raped than you average woman, she gets busted every other month... now that probably leaves us with what? 15,000? 17,000 at most.
now of couse like in every profession there's a spectrum. a high end prostitude might make 200.000 anually... but i don't even wanna imagine what lindsey lohan's psychologist get's per session. still the lower end of the psychologists is still earning 35.000 that's a number our dirty girl on the street corner can only dream about.
in comparison the average german prostitude makes 2.000 euros a month (taxes, social and health insurance already removed) (again it's a spectrum some make a lot more, some a lot less) (that's about 32.000 us dollars anually, still not even half of what the average us psychologist makes and 3.000 dollars less than your low-spectrum psychologist, too. but they have a degree after all, right? most of them anyway ;) )

but i suppose i get where you're coming from, still I'll have to repeat myself: you tend to gerneralise big groups of people
you said rapists are all about power, well yes that goes for some cases, probably even most, but certainly not all. the human mind is incredibly compex and ever rapist has his/her very own reason (even if that reason seems totally irrational to us "normal" people). And even if the percentage of potential rape victims that are saved because that (wo)man that needs sex for what ever reason goes to prostitudes, is minimal, i believe it's still worth it.
also i do belive that whever or not prostitution is legal or not does make a difference to the protitudes. it's a far fetched comparison, but look at gays for instant. when being gay was illegal people where still having gay sex in secret, it being illegal didn't stop many. but just because they were able to do as they wanted behind locked doors doesn't make it fair, does it? i'd rather earn less but be an active member of my community, than a criminal constantly afraid someone might find out.

most rape victims know their rapist (even though with 30% of rapists being strangers the us is an exeption), most rapes are not planed (stalkers rarly rape their victims, but the mind of a stalker is a whole other story) and the victim is choosen mostly by chance of being in the wrong place at the wrong time (though you are right, rapists look for "weak" victims that won't cause attention). the average rape victim is 22 years old, 44% under 18, 80% under 30 (80-year-old seldomly get raped, thou there are always exeptions, so yes it does happen, but not that often)
Causes of sexual violence are debated and explanations of the cause include socioeconomics, anger, power, sadism, sexual pleasure, psychopathy, ethical standards, attitudes toward the victims and evolutionary pressures.
women forced into marrige are often raped by their hunsbands, because their society ecpects it, many of those husbands don't even like it demselves.
some rapists don't want the power they just like causing pain. some do it because they hate women. some motives are way more complex like a man hates another man so he rapes his wive or daughter.
of course there are rapists who just want sex. sex addicts for instant (3-6% of the gerneral us population), like with every addiction it's very hard to control and when the person doesn't get enough sex from their partner (if the even have one... imagine being in a relationship with someone who wants sex up to 10 times a day) they will get it elsewhere, masturbation, prostitudes or in severe cases even rape. usually they don't have any motive connected to power, it's just about sex. (please remember this is only one example of a rapist that is not after power and that i am by no means trying to say that all sex addicts are rapsist)

it's always easy to say that a problem doesn't exist when there is already a solution preventing it. saying that those man who do go to prostitudes now wouldn't rape someone if there were no prostitudes, is easy, because neither the pro nor the con argument can be proven. but based on our knowledge of the human needs we can prove that we need sex to have a healthy balanced mind. (why do you think the percentage of catholic prists abusing young boys is so much higher than that of the general population? humans need sex and if they don't get it, some will take it by force if there is no other way)

i don't quite understand how legal prostitution would increase rape. :/
in the us about 30 in 100.000 people are raped ever year, in germany it's only a third. now of coure that could have various reasons and i suppose you'd have to have a degree in psychology (assuming it's even worth it, when you could be a prostitude instead) to even attemt to make a valuable assumption why that is.

still i am gonna stick with my opinion: i believe legal prositution is a good thing and prostitudes have a right to do their job without being judged. you might be right about some cases, but you generalise too much and focus only on the one portion that fits your stereotype. But as long as you're nice to the prostitudes that you may or may not meet i can tolerate and respect your opinion. :)

(sry this turned out so long.. i got carried away)
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namipeach15 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013
You highly doubt? That doesn't change the truth.  Prostitutes charge high, it can be up to 1000 per session (Yep, that high) See, here is the thing, if one prostitute is charging high? What makes you think the other isn't. A lot of rich people here have seen prostitutes. They pay a lot of money, so do the other sex addicts or guys who want sex. 

I never said rape victims didn't know their rapist. Most rapes are not planned? Are you talking about them sitting there with a checklist? It's usually they meet someone and they hang out for a few days and suddenly they rape them. Or it can be they're at a party and they have drunk sex and the woman calls it rape. Or it can be the person fancied a woman but was frustrated he couldn't have her so he raped her. It depends on what you would consider planned. 

Like I said before, prostitutes here don't care it's illegal. They don't hide in alleys, they stand out in the open on a sidewalk waiting for a person in broad daylight. Usually the only times people do get arrested is when a person has a building and their business is prostitution. Other than that people could care less about some prostitute standing on a sidewalk. 

Would you like it if your partner went off with some prostitute just because you couldn't deliver his daily needs of sex(assuming you like guys). Sure it's better than raping you, but adultery is illegal in some countries and it can be a death penalty. 

Isn't assuming people go to prostitutes just for sex generalizing? Exactly, when the majority happens, you generalize. If the majority is one proportion, then that is a problem that should be addressed. Besides that everyone generalizes, just because a small percent does something different doesn't change the fact it's a problem. That is like saying we should make stealing legal because not everyone steals for the wrong reasons.  

People here tend to take things for granted, some people like getting sex by earning it. Everyone has different tastes. 

.....I never said I was studying psychology. Mentioning that prostitutes make more than psychologist has nothing to do with me. I'm not even in college yet.


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ImNotWhoUThinkIAm Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
i am by no means trying to tell you what to think, in fact i think it's great that you have your own opinion (assuming it's your and not that of your parents).
but overthinking your opinion is never a bad idea as lang as you stay true to your principles.

so ultimatly my question is:
- why do you dislike prostitudes in general
(because i get why you'd dislike the one you talked about in your first comment. and i agree when you say, that what she did was wrong. even though i believe you should never judge without knowing the whole story. but you also said you can't respect prostitudes in general)
- and what is it,you think that would make a turn for the worse if prostitution were legal in the us?

here would be some examples of my own princile:
as long as no one (be it a person, animal or other) is hurt or affected in their rights(btw being uncomfortable does not fall in the rights colum) , i respect whatever you do.

dog fighting? - dogs get hurt - so that's a no from me.
you like to spank women? - fine by me if your partner likes to be spanked and is in control of what is happening to her all the time.
you're gay and wanna be married? - doesn't make a differnce to me, or anyone elses rights, so go for it
you want to live with several sexual partners? - if everyone involved in it is fine with that and they all get regularly tested for stds and only have intercoure with people outside their group if all are fine with that - why would i mind?
you and your brother are in love? - if you can absolutely asure that you will not have any children ( by sterilisation or other), because of possible damage to the child due to similar dna - that way no one gets hurt, so who am i to disaprove
you wanna have sex with a prostitude? - if you have a contract that tells you what you are and are not allowed to do and both are okay - it's your buissness.
you wanna sell your body - as long as it is what you want, i really have no say in it

most of those things don't apply to me: i could never imagin having sex with my brother, nor having many sexual partners at the same time, sleeping with a prostitude, sellingmy body or enjoying s&m games. but since no person nor anyones rights are hurt i respect those people and what they do)

but of couse there are exeptions especially when it comes to minors:

you wanna have sex with children - even if the child says they want it... sry, until the age of 16, maybe even 18, i believe children are too easily influenced by others to know what they want

maybe it would be good for you to have your own "moral code": just come up with the thing or things that are most important to you, constantly check whether they apply to at least most controvercial ideas and keep updating them. that way you might have an easier time getting you ponis across.
(and of course i'm not a pro ;) i am constanly learning by having discussions like this one, tying to perfectionize my principles and lean how to explain them to others)

this is just an advice, that you can or cannot take, and i can only hope that someday you lean how important it is to respect people even if you would not make the same decicions in life as they have.
cause nothing is as important in any society as respecting one other.
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ImNotWhoUThinkIAm Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
either you didn't read my message carefully enough or you don't care.
honestly i covered pretty much all your arguments in my last comment.

there are prositiudes charging 1.000, some charge 20, some 5.000, some do it for a box of cigaretts... but the average cost of a night is about 50 for a cheep and 150-250 for a high end prostitude.

i never said that you did. i stated a fact. there are so many different scenarios of rapes that it's very hard to find the "general rape scenario" some wait on a corner until a girl comes by that fits their expectations, some pick a family member or friend, some break into a house and rape whoever is inside, some rape at parties. murder is something planed: they find out where the victim lives, where they work, when they leave the house, they pick a time, gather the supplies they need - they make a plan. rapists usually act on impuls.

"i still do what i want" and "i don't care"... there's a big difference.
as a gay person in the eary 20th century i would still sleep with my partner, but i would very much care, that i'm not allowed to talk about it or show my affections in public.
i don't think they details, like wether it's an alley or a sidewalk, matter, really. i don't live in america so i wouldn't know how often exactly you'd get arested for prostitution, still being an illegal prostitude is dangerous for reasons i stated in my last comment. and i think that danger is something that can be prevented by making it legal.

to be quite honest i would generally find it hard to love a person who's sexual needs i can't or do not want to deliver. but ultimately if i did really love them, i would want them to be happy and if that means visiting a prostitude (assuming that i do not have to worry about stds and the like, because they would be controlled by a physician), than yes i believe i could handle that, if my partner agress to go to therapy to try and overcome his addiction with me.
to me adultery is something done in secret. but if both partners agree that in that special situation they are both okay with it and when nothing is kept secret, it is not adultery, not to me anyway.
if anything in my opinion adultery is something between the two partners and the legal system has no right to punish a private problem. you might have guessed already, but i'm not a big fan of the death penalty either.

but i never said, that rapists rape for sex alone. I merely stated that not all rapists do it for power (which is what you said).
again,you have to read more carefully if you intend to have a fair argument with me. i also stated various other possible motives for rape.
of course i, too generalise from time to time but i try to not do it. and while arguing a point, gerneralistation is usually not the way to go. because by saying all prostitudes are rich, you are simply wrong - some certainly are, but many are certainly very poor.

i never meant to say that you are supposed to want to have sex with a prostitude. - i don't. but i still respect people you do, as well as prostitudes.

i don't mean to insult you, but i never thought you were. i was trying to say that as i do not yet have a degree in psychology i am in no position to aswer that question (the reason why there are less rapes in germany than there are in america).
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ZoeyHedgie453 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2013
Some of the LGBT can be mean so you this is why I don't support gay marrage.
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Orangecraz Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014
Hating the gay community for the LGBT is like hating Christians because of Westboro Baptist Church. It's unrealistic.
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MNUZ Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Some of you straights are so mean, but I still support you guys. Hating homosexuals is one thing, but for that reason... that is truly idiotic.
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SilentRisingSun Featured By Owner May 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Same here.
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