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Really Pro-Choicers? "Hail Satan" is your response? I understand that this was most likely just a response to piss off pro-lifers, but the thing is this: you are not making your situation better! In fact, this just adds extra material for militant pro-life groups to better destroy your agenda!
I don't support your agenda. I don't believe abortion is right in most cases. I don't believe it should EVER be used as a form of birth control. I don't believe you should be allowed to get one whenever you want. Do I believe that some of you make viable points? Well, yes. That's why there are those of us who make exceptions to our stance because we do realize that not everything is black and white. We simply tend to be more CONSERVATIVE about it.
Despite this, I hate seeing people act stupid; especially in response to what is a harmless song as "Amazing Grace". This is why the Texas Republicans called you guys a mob (though I doubt the pro-lifers in the room helped either). This constitutes as stupid. Good job pro-choicers! You just gave Pro-life groups a reason to demonize you further and with a more solid argument. Especially if you knew who exactly Satan is and what he represents most notably in the Christian faith and other religions that acknowledge his existence (sans Satanism).
*sigh*
Well, as so many people have pointed out before, stupid is most manifested within a group of angry people.
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One-Swood-Grommet Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Lol so supporting women to control what happens to their body is so evil. 
What happened to your brain?
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tultsi93 Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
What the hell is this shit?

Pro-Choice =/= Satanist
Pro-Life =/= Chrisitian

I hate rapid Pro-Lifers and rapid Pro-Choicers.
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heroinist Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Prolife:"if you were raped as an 11 year old and got pregnant you have to give birth. If your child will be born crippled, not just slightly disabled but just severely unable to function in society, give birth anyway. If the pregnancy threathens your life, give birth anyway. If you don't even want to have children and you have this by accident (forgot to take pills, condom broke, raped, partner didn't pull out at time et cetera), give birth anyway, even if it destroys the future youve planned for yourself. If the child is result of rape or incest, give birth anyfuckingway! And you know why? BECAUSE GOD IN HIS AMAZING GRACE SAID SO"
Prochoice: "Is that so? Hail satan then"
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AquosBoost Featured By Owner May 14, 2015  Student Digital Artist
you scream like a psychotic whiny baby infested with the bubonic plague
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DragonSlayers-Mate Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
you are an incredibly small minded person aren't you :)
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lynda-hybrida Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
I'm a pro choice and i never say "hail satan"
Don't treat all pro choicer's like they're some sort anti-baby, besides a fetus is not a human.
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Gothic-Bunny-13 Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Seriously....

You are sickening me
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Calypsoeclipse Featured By Owner Edited Jan 27, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
I don't know why people use "Conservative White Christian males" as an insult to the pro life movement. All of the judges who passed roe v. wade were white males, 4 out of the 5 founders of NARAL were white men, and most supporters of abortion are men! The pro life movement was founded by women, for women, and to empower them and their families. I mean which is more discriminating, telling a woman she can't work because she's pregnant, or saying she's empowered by mutilating an organ that literally supports life? I mean if you really think about it, the pro choice movement has arguments that spin around in circles. The pro life movement has scientific fact, historical documentation of racist abortion agendas used against Planned Parenthood, and that abortion mills don't care about women or cleanliness, they only care about money. Norma McCorvey, 'Jane Roe' who is now pro life, stated, and I quote- "I think it's safe to say the entire abortion industry is based on a lie... I am dedicated to spending the rest of my life undoing the law that bears my name."
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PurpIe-Guy Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Hail satan 8D
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RinaTheKitty Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
apparently satan was hella hot soooo
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Ask--TailsDoll Featured By Owner Edited Aug 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Im 13 if i got pregnant right now i would get an Abortion because its dangerous for me to have a child at this age. I don't like the idea of abortion but knowing it could save someones life i am pro-choice WHICH IS NOT THE SAME AS PRO-ABORTION,also i don't go arount chanting hail satin because im a Christian
(Because some idiots commenting don't understand, )
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Winter-Hooves Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2014  Student General Artist
Hail Satan. Pro-life is anti-women. You're not giving her the choice to control what happens to her own body.
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KittyCreator Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Hail fucking Satan.
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SionnaDehr Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
You see, this really doesn't do anything for your cause except perpetuate more hatred from both radical sides of the isle and look ridiculous in the sight of people who actually take this debate seriously and don't emote about it. 
Maybe we should all try to stop being angry? That might do more good than harm.
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Chiminix Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
I know this is an old comment, but you know she's just one of those tumblr-raised kids who says off-key things for lack of anything valid to bring up.
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KittyCreator Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2014  Student Digital Artist
God is like PETA to me

Kills more than he saves.
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Gothic-Bunny-13 Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
God is PETA.. 
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SionnaDehr Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Ah! Troll! I see now. Hello troll!
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KittyCreator Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Im a troll because I don't believe what you believe?
Hm, then by that logic I guess I am a troll
A lesbian troll to be in fact

So howdy! :iconlol--waitplz:
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SionnaDehr Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
No, you're a troll because you're adding absolutely nothing of value to the conversation and you're about as mature about it as a two-year-old. 
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KittyCreator Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Nice comeback.
Oh that just made me shiver.
Cri.

Seriously, you are no better c:
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SionnaDehr Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
See, this is how I know I'm right. You can't come up with any substantial rebuttal to the argument.
When you're mature enough to talk, let me know! :)
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MissMuffinTop Featured By Owner May 25, 2014   Writer
Your stance isn't so black and white...but your stamp sure is. You're implying that's what the pro-choice stance is in entirety. Did you consider people might have been being sarcastic? You even acknowledge it was trolling, but then go on to say it's valid evidence for militant pro-life groups. Ya know, like these charming people. Besides, they might have been hailing the pro-lifers as Satan, because we might think y'all are that horrible sometimes. (Hey, you lot call us all sorts of terrible names, we get a few pot-shots and comparisons to Satan too, fair's fair.)

Don't want an abortion? Don't get one. It's not up to you to deny access to someone else, though. You wouldn't want to be denied if you were in a justifiable and/or necessary case just because of someone else's stance, would you? :3

Anyways, gonna leave an article for you, talking about the actual realities of abortion and the reduction thereof rather than this spoon-fed fable you get from the pro-life crowd. 
Here, if you actually want to reduce the number of abortions, you might want to read it. If you would rather just stand on a soap-box, make disgusting Holocaust comparisons, and implicitly support terrorists who kill people, just keep on bein' hardline "Pro-Life", don't read it. Pro-life policies, and the sexual politics that come with it are what cause abortions, though. So if you actually care about abortions instead of just proselytizing, might wanna take a look. 

Have a nice day~!
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SionnaDehr Featured By Owner May 25, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
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Yeah judging what I just read in your comment I'm inclined to believe that you got too offended to care about what I actually said.
Learn to read. 
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MissMuffinTop Featured By Owner May 25, 2014   Writer
I heard your point. It would be more...well, you oppose the agenda anyways, so it's a little hard to believe you care about how we get our message across. It sounds a little disingenuous, ya know? It would be like me saying your argument would be better without all the anti-abortion violence. Sure, I don't want the anti-abortion violence, but am I gonna listen to you if it stops?

Anyway...

Seriously, read the article I linked to on Patheos. It's pretty amazing, changed my whole perspective and how I argue the issue on a substantive level. Link provided again for your convenience. It's here
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SionnaDehr Featured By Owner May 25, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
You're assuming I approve of anti-abortion violence. If you read what I said, you would have noted that I explicitly stated that the "pro-life" group was just as bad. 
People can't talk about abortion without getting angry. That part is obvious.

I don't overly call myself "pro-life" anymore. Those stamps are old (for me anyway) and I've recently re-evaluated the "pro-life" stance. I call myself "pro-child". I advocate for a better adoption system in America, a better living environment for children in low-income families, as well as life begins inside to womb... especially at 20 weeks. It's pretty obvious that there is a human being lodged in the woman's uterus at that point. 

Understand, that I believe abortions are medical procedures and should be treated as such. 

As for the article, when the author mentioned birth control, I felt confused. Do a lot of "pro-life" advocates rail against birth control as well or is that strictly a Catholic thing? Because my family is pretty anti-abortion and we all support the use of more birth control, condoms, and (where teens are at least concerned) waiting until they're mentally ready to handle sex. In which case we need to teach them about what's going on in their bodies and how they're changing. 
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MissMuffinTop Featured By Owner May 25, 2014   Writer
I didn't imply you supported anti-abortion violence, I just feel that it's worth bringin' up with peeps. It's worth noting which side throws bombs, but I think that is partially motivated by being on the side that doesn't, in this case. Domestic terrorism is a whole different can of worms, so I'll leave it be for now >n<

It shouldn't be up to the government to tell you when you should or shouldn't get an abortion though, right? Like, that's you, your philosophy, and your doctor. That's the pro-choice position in the broadest of terms. Plenty of pro-choice people don't personally support the idea, but support the right of individual choice. Like, personal views of what does and doesn't constitute a human being can't be used to set abortion policy, especially due to...honestly I'm disgusted by all these Republican men trying to do whatever they can to shut down clinics and saying awful, untrue things about abortion, trivializing rape, using the wedge issue of abortion to get votes, etc. It's...really disgusting, frankly. 

And then they wonder why women don't vote Republican! As though they're blamless and we're jerks for not wanting to be subjugated.

I don't think a low-income environment has to be (or even is) inherently inferior as a place to grow up, I just don't think we need to make it worse by judging poor people for being poor, and not helping them out with stuff, or making that help condescending, limited, and more about sating our own guilt than actually improving people's lives. Less judging, more helping-without-judgement. It takes a village, etc, etc...

Yeah, a lot of pro-lifers don't want access to birth control. You ever hear conservative men complain about women wanting taxpayer-funded birth control pills? Teenagers are going to have sex, or at least want to (or be asexual, which is perfectly okay too), so we gotta tell them the truth about sex rather than that abstinence-only sex-ed; which causes more teenage pregnancy than comprehensive information does (along with higher rates of STI infection and all kinds of ignorance).

It's more than just a Catholic thing, the same peeps on the Religious Right who say abortion is murder will then go on to spread misinformation about condom use and birth control pills. I don't quite know why, but I don't want to give them the benefit of the doubt by believing their motivations to be pure. I'd also say that comprehensive sex-ed shouldn't really have an opt-out option, because it sets a dangerous precedent for students opting out of subjective classroom material, which only hurts their education. Then again, I don't think the truth is a form of indoctrination, some peeps might disagree with my assertion.
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Charanty Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2014
I'm pro-contraceptive. They solve problem of both sides.
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SionnaDehr Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Until the contraceptives fail, then what? Abort the baby as a final form of birth control? Abortion is still a medical procedure. To use it as birth control is exceedingly stupid. Sorry, it is. 
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Charanty Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2014
I don't advocate using abortion as a form of birth control. Heavens, no just no.
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ThatCuteMonster Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2014
Though I am not a believer in any god, (I don't like call myself an "atheist" because of the reputation) I agree that people shouldn't just get abortions like it's nothing. In the event a type of birth control fails, or a rape happens, or anything else that is out of someones control then yes, abort away. In many cases abortion is just the answer, you can't just get rid of a baby like it's an unwanted pet.

But if someone is just stupid and gets themselves pregnant an abortion should be denied and they should have the child and have it put in care. We need less people dumping babies in care because they are too scared to get abortions (they are safer then people think), over here we actually have adverts on TV trying to get more people to adopt because the care system just can't take the amount of children being dumped on them. Babies are not dogs to just be given away, there are more people having babies then there are people adopting. Infertility isn't as common as some people think so babies aren't leaving care as fast as they are coming in, lets not even get started with the amount of older kids stuck in care. I hope to be able to adopt a baby of my own in the future since I won't be having children of my own.
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Jamesruglia Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2014
I wish people would quit calling it "pro-choice".  The baby never gets a choice.
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RigorM0RTIS Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
A fetus can't choose because it's not sentient. It is also essentially a parasite since it sucks away a woman's nutrients without consideration that she may be becoming unhealthy if she is not receiving enough nutrition.

It is also inside the woman's body. She has a choice whether or not to remove it.

The fetus also didn't choose birth either.

on a related note: I guess parasites like ticks should be given a choice whether we remove them from us/our pets or not.
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AquosBoost Featured By Owner May 14, 2015  Student Digital Artist
i'll say this; if i had a say, i'd choose abortion.
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CheeseyBee1 Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Perfectly written
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Young-stoaty-chap Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
One routinely kills proponents of the other, the other doesn't.
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SailorMoonAndSonicX Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Glad I'm not the only one who thought how ironic that was. For the majority probably being atheists claiming that they don't have a religion or worship anyone or anything, that's pretty ironic that they like to say that. Doesn't matter if it was a joke or trying to upset the pro-lifers, they sure don't realize what they're doing by chanting that. Big mistake. All over a simple song, too.
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dante0525 Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013
I'm pro-choice, but I don't chant "hail satan", because I'm an atheist.
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CheeseyBee1 Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Agreed, I don't understand why everyone's fighting about this, people are aloud to have an abortion if they feel like its necessary and the people against abortion can shut up and stop making choices for them.
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xghfthfgxn Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2013  Professional General Artist
Most modern Satanists actually do take on an atheistic stance in regards to spirituality and theocracy. They just use Satan as a symbol of contradiction and independence from religions.
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CheeseyBee1 Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I am Atheist and don't believe in God or Satan
i believe they are just fantasies, like when you were small and you believed in ghosts and dragons and fey. I believe religion is just a longer lasting version of that.
so atheists worshiping is Satan is impractical, contradicting the meaning of 'atheism'
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LeDiableDesBois Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2013
It's pretty obvious that  those  pro-choicer were  trying  to  piss  off the  pro-lifers and  they succeeded.
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Mike-the-cat Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Because logic isn't their strong point, so they can only rely on trolling.
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SionnaDehr Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Might want to re-read my description, or read it in general since it looks like you never bothered to.
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Kittenbasket Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2013
If a group of any kind of support was chanting hail satan then I'd look down on those people, but not necessarily the political stance they were representing.

I'm pro-choice, but I and many other pro-choice people would not chant such a thing. Most Christians would not protest funerals, but we know a certain group that does that nobody likes.

So feel free to think those individuals are stupid or whatever, but do not put me in the same boat as them.
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xAprilyne Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm pro-choice and I really think that what the woman was screaming doesn't make her situation better at all. Please, for the love of God, why can't people just take it seriously?

Religion should just be kept out of the abortion argument as a whole.
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AClockworkKitten Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2013  Student Digital Artist
The bible doesn't mention abortion.  Really.
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xAprilyne Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Exactly why religion should be kept away from the abortion argument.
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AClockworkKitten Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I've been seeing stuff like this all day.  I hate how worked up everybody gets about abortion.  Just proves how fucked up we are.
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xAprilyne Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm just sick of people using stupid arguments against abortion. If you're going to be pro-life, for the love of god don't bring your religion into it.
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